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8 bit vs 32 bit

There seems to be a bit of conflict between fans of 8-bit chips and fans of 32-bit chips. Honestly, both sides seem biased to me, but I think it makes an encyclopedia article better to describe all the major viewpoints, even when some of them are biased.

Two areas that I think deserve a few more words in this article: energy and noise.

I've been able to add both points of view on energy:

I added the Saether and Fredriksen reference. If I'm reading it correctly, it unambiguously says that 8-bit processors have several advantages over 32-bit processors, including less energy and lower noise.
I added other references that say that it is "not true" that 8-bit processors use less energy than 32-bit processors.

Alas, those other references don't seem to mention noise or the other issues brought up by Saether and Fredriksen. So does pretty much everyone agree that 8-bit processors (when fabbed at the same technology level) produce less noise than 32-bit processors? Or is there a reliable source we can reference that has some other point of view, that we should mention in this article? --DavidCary (talk) 18:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Those references were deleted in a later edit. --DavidCary (talk) 04:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A proposal

I am going to link this here. I made an proposal for a new Project based on microprocessors. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiChips

Bobherry Talk Edits 01:53, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

About this

I have additional matter about this Nadimpalli bhargav (talk) 08:51, 24 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Microprocessor vs CPU

The article does a poor job of explaining the relationship between the two terms. As I understand it, a CPU is a broader term includes central processing units that are not all on one chip whereas a microprocessor is a CPU all on one chip. So we need to clarify that a Microprocessor is a type of CPU but not all CPU's are microprocessors. As such, we need to make this article more clearly a sub-article of CPU's. In modern times, almost all CPUs are microprocessors so the terms are, with few exception, used interchangeably these days. --Notcharliechaplin (talk) 15:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Intel, AMD, Motorola et all refer to their bit-slice product systems as microprocessors. Many early Microprocessors 1800/1801 = 1802, 6500/6501 = 6502, etc. are one chip integration of multi chip products. TaylorLeem (talk) 22:33, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the 1950's and into the 1960's, the CPU was a box connected to memory in a separate box, and I/O devices somewhere else. Maybe the CPU and memory together is the processor. It is, then, not at all obvious what should count as "processor on a chip" or "CPU on a chip". The early chips required a separate chip to generate the clock, especially when it needed a higher voltage than other inputs. Does that make them not single chip? It seems that there is a lot of wiggle room in the name, and that was used by the companies. It is especially complicated by the early chips meant for embedded systems. That was true at least through the 8080, and yet the 8080 turned out to make a good general purpose machine. Gah4 (talk) 02:28, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gilbert Hyatt's Patent Battles on Microprocessors

Gilbert Hyatt actually had tons and tons of patent applications pertaining to the microprocessor, and his intellectual property strategy seems to have influenced processor engineering and law alike. According to several sources, a USPTO director wanted to have his blocked or deprioritized. CessnaMan1989 (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Because his patent applications NEVER documented a working product which is theoretically a patent requirements. Mental masturbation should not be patentable. The result would be granting every perpetual motion machine a patent. TaylorLeem (talk) 22:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RCA CDP1802

Integration of 4 CD4057 Accumulator/ALU and array of CD40108 triple port Ram and microsequencer. Orthogonal instruction set. TaylorLeem (talk) 22:25, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Intel 4004/TMS1802NC Dispute

The beginning of the Intel 4004 (1971) section contains some strong statements such as it is "definitively false" that the Intel 4004 is the first microprocessor in favor of the TMS1802NC. This doesn't seem appropriate for this section and does not immediately cite evidence in favor of the falsity. I added a Disputed inline link here and a Citation Needed tag to these sentences. Aldaron lorem (talk) 16:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All of the evidence is present in the TMS1802 and TMX 1795 sections.

intel only released the 4004 in '71 november. TI already filled the patent for the microprocessor in '71 august and released TMSC1802 a single chip microprocessor in '71 september. Also, the TMX 1795 has reached working prototype state at 1971 February 24. (https://www.righto.com/2015/05/the-texas-instruments-tmx-1795-first.html) 94.21.161.212 (talk) 00:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to have come up in the Intel 4004 article. Also, the 4004 is better known in a commercial context. Were the TI chips commercially available? Gah4 (talk) 02:32, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, they weren't, but nobody said, that the intel 4004 wasn't the first commercially available microprocessor. It was. Nobody denies it.

But it wasn't the first single chip microprocessor (that was the TMS1802 or the TMX 1795, if we accept working prototypes too and why we would not) and it was definetely not the first microprocessor overall (that was the CADC or the AL1). 178.164.222.20 (talk) 09:47, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

an update to the righto article is now saying the 4004 beat the TMX as the first microprocessor:

> "TMX 1795 almost became the first microprocessor. (Originally I thought the TMX 1795 was the first microprocessor, but it appears that the 4004 slightly beat it.)"

So I deleted the "definitively false" statement. I would also suggest "The Intel 4004 is often (falsely) regarded" be changed to "The Intel 4004 is often claimed". It is problematic for wikipedia to definitive say "true" or "false" cause as the many articles go into, the debate depends on precise definition of what is a single chip microprocessor. For instance, the TMS1802 is more specifically considered a "microcontroller" cause its entire program memory is self contained and it isn't programmable on the fly. And as the righto article argues, while the AL1 could be wired into receiving decoded microinstructions, it doesn't have instruction decode on chip and the "ROM controls memory read/write, selects an ALU operation, and provides the address of the next microcode instruction (there's no program counter)" even though the courtroom demonstration was compelling. Em3rgent0rdr (talk) 21:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naming

I think the article should also explicitly mention that microprocessors are also simply called processors, like saying in the lead: "A microprocessor (also called a processor) is a computer processor..." i think i added it to the article but for some reason it's not in the article. i have mostly seen the term microprocessor being used in the 1980s but not now Pancho507 (talk) 17:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it was needed in the 1970's when big processors were still popular. There are still big processors, though usually made from many microprocessors. Otherwise, it seems to me that processor is just short for microprocessor, in many cases. It can also be the generic word, when one doesn't really need to know or care about the size. It is now not so unusual to generate a processor inside an FPGA, in which case it is called a soft-processor. (And not micro.) Gah4 (talk) 19:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We already have Processor (computing) which appears to consider itself a superset of Microprocessor, Central processing unit, Graphics processing unit among others. Do you think this organization should be improved somehow? ~Kvng (talk) 13:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]